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Hi, I'm Kathy Lueders, Commercial Crew Program
manager.

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The agency’s really looking at commercial
partnerships and how do we share . . . and

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not just this is all

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NASA produced, but how do we then really enable
a commercial industry and capability for the

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future?

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Our No. 1 goal is to provide our need in a
way that allows innovation and to be a partner

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to them and to

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realize that it take both of us pulling in
the same direction for us to meet our goals.

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Because industry owns the systems, these systems
are then available for future exploration

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architectures

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and concepts.

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We are all pieces of a puzzle and we all fit
together.

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And we honestly build on each other to lay
out this

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picture of the overall human exploration goals
that we have and that the nation has given

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to us.

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I went out to the White Sands test facility
and they picked me up when I was still in

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school and hired me

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through the end of my bachelor's.

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I was the quality engineer that set up the
White Sands shuttle RCS

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depot.

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And I did that for a year and then they hired
me up in the propulsion test office and I

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was the depot

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manager so I actually worked on all the OMS/RCS
components bringing them in-house to repair

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and

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process them for the shuttle program.

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It was a huge learning experience I was basically
acting as a

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subcontractor to USA at the time and so it
taught me about being commercial in a government

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way.

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53:12 – When station program came and asked
me to come to the Johnson Space Center, there

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I did

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subsequent jobs.

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One of the most important, I think, was I
was the vehicle systems integration manager

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for station where I was in charge of all the
vehicle subsystem managers during the design

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and sustaining

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engineering phase and so really understood
how to have really distributed responsibility

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across

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management and yet kind of working all the
development and design and at that time we

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had all the

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elements on orbit, too.

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(Visiting vehicle scheduling – B roll of
Shuttle docking,

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HTV as they dock to station)

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Finally they brought me in to do the COTS
integration job (DRAGON and Orbital's Antares/Cygnus

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launches and docking to the ISS)

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When you look back, you realize the puzzle
pieces and how they all make in some ways

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a perfect

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situation for me now to be leading this team.

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I almost feel in a lot of ways, you know when
you look back, wow, it's amazing how this

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particular

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experience all laid out that it really provided
me with this background right now to be able

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to help really

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the commercial crew program and the partners
to go and figure out a way to then execute

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on this next